UTG and tokyo marui

[renegaderecon]

how does UTG match up to tokyo marui in perfromance, alotta sites say UTG is very similar to tokyo marui, except that UTG has alotta plastic parts and they dont contian reienforced gear boxes gimme your opinion

[SGT. JohnnyC]

Most of my friends have a UTG and a few have a Marui, the UTG is a little less than TM, they tend to have more problems than TM. I don't think TM is so much better to be over $100 more than a UTG bet it is better.

[rambo]

they both shoot the same fps, *i hate tokyo marui mp5

[Brazzy]

Most of my friends have a UTG and a few have a Marui, the UTG is a little less than TM, they tend to have more problems than TM. I don't think TM is so much better to be over $100 more than a UTG bet it is better.


I would have to disagree to a point. TM is well worth the money over a UTG. Performance wise they dont match up, but also think of 1)how do they perform over the long haul? and 2) Upgradeability. My first AEG was a stock TM thompson from over 3 years ago and it still shoots flawlessly today. Some peoples UTG's are already shitting the bed on them. Second is that there are a ton of upgrades that a TM can handle pretty easily. A spring a bushing upgrade in a TM goes a long way in that it can handle it pretty well. If you put an M120 in a UTG how long would it last? And how well would it perform with it in? Theres a huge difference.

[SGT. JohnnyC]

Like Brazzy and I said, UTG does tend to fall apart easier than TM. And I wouldn't know how upgrades work but I guess Brazzy does. My friends normally take care of theirs well so they last awhile but I would not advise getting a UTG unless its your first AEG or a backup AEG.

[Chuckles]

UTG makes TM clones, and they are just as upgradeable as a tm. I have a UTG AK and it functions flawlessly, and the UTG AK has more metal in it than the TM AK. The TM AK and the UTG AK have essentially the same internals just the UTG internals are chinese made and are equivalent to the Japanese made TM Internals. Now i'm not saying that the UTG doesn't have it's flaws. It has minor flaws like all guns, but don't say that they are complete crap just because they aren't $250+.

[sinagy]

my UTG mp5 shit the bed after like 4 months of having it. Also the Mauri is stronger and more durable.

But when it comes to buying an TM for $200-240, it would be a better idea to spend the extra $50-75 and get a ICS or CA which is in an entirely diffrent league

[Brazzy]

I know this post sounds kind of harsh and since its in writing and only read, as you cant see facial expressions or hear the tone of voice. I assure you that this post has no malice whatsoever, and that it may sound harsh due to it making pretty bold statements, but thats only because its in writing and that I think that people should be aware of a few things when buying these guns. Just so everyone knows I have a smile on my face, and in a very calm mood. Just so theres no confusion when reading this.


Ceterus perubus. *Meaning all else remianing equal. I know all you UTG fans out there would love to say that those guns are on the level. But how long has the UTG AK been out? The TM AK is known for being a rock. the whole thing is metal with the exception of the stock and the foregrip. I know the UTG's stock and foregrip is not metal, so how does it have more metal? The TM has been around for years. There are guns that have been beaten up, for years with hundreds of thousands of rounds through them and stil fire flawlessly. I have a stock TM Thompson thats almost 4 years old, has seen a shit load of rounds through it, been beat to shit over the years, but has NEVER seen an airsmith and still fires perfectly. How long has the UTG AK been out on the market? The TM has been out for years and we still havent found a flaw in it, especially if you keep it stock. The UTG, I dont think has been out for a year yet and people have already seen them shit the bed.

They say it has upgradeability, or that its identicle. Take it to any airsmith. Even the people who sell them say that these guns are based on the TM model, but still arent put together the same. Coming from the people who are trying to market it thats saying something. As a business man I know that if you have to put out a cheaper product in order to compete you have to cut corners. Even though they essentially "stole" the TM model, and used their designs. That stil doesnt compensate for the cost effectiveness to sell them for almost 1/3 of the price. They have to cut corners somewhere else. And just where are they gonna do it? Mass producing them with fewer stops for quality control is a good way to start. How about buying shittier metals or materials. Its gonna come from somewhere.

How bout we make a deal. How bout you come back to us when your gun has hundreds of thousands of rounds through and and has seen some crazy shit over the course of a few years. The make an evaluation. Cuz as of right now there are no grounds for comparison as you have no idea how long that gun is gonna last, because they are ALL relatively new to the market. TM is tried and true, is UTG?

UTG is an excellent starter gun for airsofters who want to get a feel for the game. Im happy they are on the market as now kids who once couldnt afford to play are now all over the place. I am grateful for UTG in that making the game more affordable to some, really helps this game grow. So UTG is excellent for what it is. But you wont see too many, if any at all, experienced players wielding one on the field. There must be a reason for that.

[Plague]

I know this post sounds kind of harsh and since its in writing and only read, as you cant see facial expressions or hear the tone of voice. I assure you that this post has no malice whatsoever, and that it may sound harsh due to it making pretty bold statements, but thats only because its in writing and that I think that people should be aware of a few things when buying these guns. Just so everyone knows I have a smile on my face, and in a very calm mood. Just so theres no confusion when reading this.


Ceterus perubus. *Meaning all else remianing equal. I know all you UTG fans out there would love to say that those guns are on the level. But how long has the UTG AK been out? The TM AK is known for being a rock. the whole thing is metal with the exception of the stock and the foregrip. I know the UTG's stock and foregrip is not metal, so how does it have more metal? The TM has been around for years. There are guns that have been beaten up, for years with hundreds of thousands of rounds through them and stil fire flawlessly. I have a stock TM Thompson thats almost 4 years old, has seen a shit load of rounds through it, been beat to shit over the years, but has NEVER seen an airsmith and still fires perfectly. How long has the UTG AK been out on the market? The TM has been out for years and we still havent found a flaw in it, especially if you keep it stock. The UTG, I dont think has been out for a year yet and people have already seen them shit the bed.

They say it has upgradeability, or that its identicle. Take it to any airsmith. Even the people who sell them say that these guns are based on the TM model, but still arent put together the same. Coming from the people who are trying to market it thats saying something. As a business man I know that if you have to put out a cheaper product in order to compete you have to cut corners. Even though they essentially "stole" the TM model, and used their designs. That stil doesnt compensate for the cost effectiveness to sell them for almost 1/3 of the price. They have to cut corners somewhere else. And just where are they gonna do it? Mass producing them with fewer stops for quality control is a good way to start. How about buying shittier metals or materials. Its gonna come from somewhere.

How bout we make a deal. How bout you come back to us when your gun has hundreds of thousands of rounds through and and has seen some crazy shit over the course of a few years. The make an evaluation. Cuz as of right now there are no grounds for comparison as you have no idea how long that gun is gonna last, because they are ALL relatively new to the market. TM is tried and true, is UTG?

UTG is an excellent starter gun for airsofters who want to get a feel for the game. Im happy they are on the market as now kids who once couldnt afford to play are now all over the place. I am grateful for UTG in that making the game more affordable to some, really helps this game grow. So UTG is excellent for what it is. But you wont see too many, if any at all, experienced players wielding one on the field. There must be a reason for that.


Well said Brazzy Well said 8)

[renegaderecon]

u were right very bold statements :)

[DAI]

UTG is an excellent starter gun for airsofters who want to get a feel for the game. Im happy they are on the market as now kids who once couldnt afford to play are now all over the place. I am grateful for UTG in that making the game more affordable to some, really helps this game grow. So UTG is excellent for what it is. But you wont see too many, if any at all, experienced players wielding one on the field. There must be a reason for that.


This about sums up my take on UTG as well. Great for starters, or players willing to get their hands dirty with some upgrading and tweaks. And with these upgrades, the potential to have a decently accurate and hard shooting weapon is there. However, it will lack the goodness of a metal body, and the easiness of simply buying a Marui or CA.

[renegaderecon]

brazzy: are the ICS mp5s good?

[sinagy]

from what I've seen, ICS and CA Mp5's and M4's are a step up from Mauri

[Brazzy]

I try to only comment on guns/gear that ive used or owned (which seems to be a lot). As for Mp5's Im not a huge fan of them. Ive handled the TM and UTG. Ive only shot an ICS a few times, and have yet to handle a CA Mp5. Im not familiar enough to comment on any ICS guns, Im sure plague can help you out with that more than I can since I know he dealt with a lot of ICS guns. Ive never even held a CA Mp5. Im a big fan of CA's, everyone Ive held has been ROCK solid. But Ive never used the Mp5 so you might wanna try to find someone who has one.

This is kind of what I was trying to accomplish on the airsoft armory thread. If your curious about a gun you can take a look to see if anyone has one, and then ask their opinion on it. Wish I could help you out more, but Im not qualified for any more than that.

[matchgrade]

just back onto the UTG for a moment, their wiring jobs are absolute crap. If you replace those you actually get much better performance out of the gun, but it requires quite a bit of technical knowledge.

In general, ICS mp5s are great if you leave them stock, in fact, many consider them to be the authority on MP5s if left stock. However, from what i've heard/read (i have no experience with and upgraded gun, just fired a stock one a couple times) they have problem taking upgrades unless you go all the way with the upgrades and replace almost everything.

[Plague]

brazzy: are the ICS mp5s good?


The Elite (ICS) is an awesome weapon. It was the best MP5 on the market. But with the new CA Mp5 out im not sure if it will hold that title.

If you are looking for an mp5 i have
a CA, TM and all the Elites for sale.
Need to get right of a few casue im building new guns ;D

[renegaderecon]

duke has a fully upgraded ICS MP5 and it is a sick gun... i actually dont know anyone with a patialy upgraded gun, so i have nothing to go by, u know anyone?

[renegaderecon]

how much are u sellin the CA MP5 for and can u post some pics??

[renegaderecon]

a pic of the TM would be nice too

[schpanky]

If you're looking for an AK, definately either get CA/ICS or CYMA. The CYMA 028 is a VERY solid rifle, and was tested to be as powerful as a stock CAm15a4 out of the box! And as long as you keep it lubed, it will remain just as reliable as the TM, I haven't tried the ICS AK, but the CA one is absolute sex.

UTG makes some okay rifles, but they aren't really something that you can carry as a primary.
What type of gun are you ultimately looking for?

[renegaderecon]

dont CYMA guns suck? i got a CYMA AK as my first gun and it was plastic and it shot 200fps

[matchgrade]

we're talking about the $100 one that is a TM clone...and its the best clone out there too.


the one you had was a piece of shit...just a LPEG

[Peach]

I rock the CYMA AK, the full metal one, and I love it. Everyone who I showed it to last weekend couldn't believe it was a CYMA heheh

[renegaderecon]

i thinks AKs are kool looking guns but i think the full stock version is way too bulky my opinion

[armyranger]

rofl @ 12 year old airsofters

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/silentpain11/moronlol.jpg

[renegaderecon]

LOL these are the ppl that have only shot 2 rounds out of the gun and write a review... and most of the time they only want to believe the gun is good so it seems better than it is thats how i felt of my UTG the first time i bought it, totally overlooking and ignoring how unstable the feel is, its low fps, poor automatic shooting preformance, and the poorly manufactured magazine. i think my favorite part of the gun now is the metal claw mount it came with LOL. i still think the UTG is an ok gun but ppl are better off buying a worth while gun ;D