What's with this ECHO stuff?

[sinagy]

So I was on shorty USA and I came across the "ECHO" series. the ECHO 1 MP5, M4, M16
http://www.shortyusa.com/cart/index.html?UID=1170912227-72.82.3.41&RID=1&NL=&kiosk=

http://www.shortyusa.com/cart/index.html?UID=1170912227-72.82.3.41&RID=1&NL=&kiosk=

Anyone have any experence with these?

[bullet_magnet]

its cheap crap, like all else that isn't GG, GP, TM, or CA

[sinagy]

Have you used one?

[Patrick[PM]]

Echo1 is just rebranded Jing Gong stuff from china
there descent for the price

[Phobia]

Heres a picture of an ECHO m4a1
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m276/Luis2185/IMG_6183.jpg

They look pretty good for mid-grades.

[Patrick[PM]]

SiNaGy, just search Echo1 on ASR you'll get more info then you needed or wanted

[grizzle]

Actually Armyranger was using one and never told me about it, so I assumed CA or TM and during the day at one point he hit me on the higher part of my forehead that was covered by a boonie and it stung more than many CA's I've been hit with, through the hat! I think they're fantastic for the price.

[APW]

Released in December 2006, the ECHO 1 AEGs are among a new breed of electric rifles. These rifles and sub machine guns are identical in build to Tokyo Marui so that all parts and magazines are interchangeable with their Tokyo Mauri counterparts. In detail they are actually superior to the Marui which have visible mold seems in some areas while the ECHO 1 does not which gives them even more realism.

All ECHO 1 AEGs come standard with an upgraded M110 spring, steel gears, poly carbonate piston and 16 gauge wiring. Producing a muzzle energy in excess of 1J these AEGs will outrange a stock Classic Army or Marui rifle while being only a fraction of their price!

The MP5-J is lightweight and maneuverable sub machine gun designed for CQB situations. It has a two position collapsible stock which makes the gun so compact you could easily fire it with one hand. The rotary rear sight is adjustable for windage and has four different apertures for zeroing in at different ranges. If you want to mount a red dot or scope to the MP5 you can easily attach a MP5 claw mount to its receiver.
saw that on shorty usa. 2 position stock. makes me not want one

[Brett]

i dont see the point to these guns, most of them are not that cheap, there are quite a few over 200, and some of the designs of hte guns dont make sense. WHy is there an AR10 fixed carry handle on the CQBR? THis prevents a person from using a reflex sight. and they r ugly light gray plastic just liek mauris. I doubt it would be easy to do, but cant someone make a CA,GG,GP, clone, all of which have good looking exterior parts. ANd just liek a Mauri, these gearboxes r gonna require major overhauls, and i dont know for a fact, but the hop up probably doesnt match the quality of most mauri hop ups. I guess if i wanted to buy something kinda cheap for CQB i might be interested in the 733, but other than that id probably use the rest of the guns to just pick the peanuts out of my SHIT.

[Patrick[PM]]

i dont see the point to these guns, most of them are not that cheap, there are quite a few over 200,
where did you see them for over $200?

[Brett]

airsoft gi, there are several over 200 and the cqbr is 400

[shorty]

airsoft gi is a meh website in my opinion though, so dont always judge by their prices.

[Patrick[PM]]

airsoft gi, there are several over 200 and the cqbr is 400

the CQBR is over $400 b/c its a Echo1 M733 that ASGI slapped a bunch of acessories on
echo1 doesnt make a CQBR
same with the G36KE and the M4RIS

[armyranger]

so who where has actually used one?

you can look at / shoot mine next even if you want. TO this point everyone who has looked at it held it shot it and used it in games was under the impresiion that it was an upgraded TM gun. So dont speak out your ass when you have no proof to back up somthing

[Rakan]

Meh, I wouldnt wanna risk spending the money on one. It might be as good/better them TM, but its 150 bucks. There has to be some reason why its 150 bucks. And TBH even if they turn out to be as good internally as CA and GG, Id rather save up 200 more bucks and get one of those for the full metal body.

You just feel so much more badass with a peice of metal. Show someone a TM or an Echo, they call it a toy, show someone a metal airsoft, they duck for cover.

[Ubez]

You just feel so much more badass with a peice of metal. Show someone a TM or an Echo, they call it a toy, show someone a metal airsoft, they duck for cover.


True...but it still does shoot plastic...with also makes the dude with the metal gun duck for cover :P

[shorty]

echo's might be good in the short term, but i doubt they last very long just because for that price the quality of installation was probably very low, and it was probably made in a sweat shop, so have fun with it for the whole month and a half it will last.

[Rakan]

You just feel so much more badass with a peice of metal. Show someone a TM or an Echo, they call it a toy, show someone a metal airsoft, they duck for cover.


True...but it still does shoot plastic...with also makes the dude with the metal gun duck for cover :P


...Untill it break 3 shots later...

lol you know what I meant. Can you call a M249 a M249 if it weights all from rusty weights and is plastic? Helllll no!!

[Ubez]

We only know if Ryan's echo dies soon...there are plastic M249's that work alright..and I got knocked out by one...im not crazy about it, but they do the job.

[SACSlym]

Forgive the Ressing of a month old thread, but since none of you seem to have any clue of what your talking about I should probably enlighten you.

Echo AEGs are the only Airsoft guns to be made in the United States, thats right, built, assembled, and sold only in the United States. They come with a 30 Day warranty against any damages, part replacement, and repair, something you can not get from any other manufacturer (unless your in Japan or Hong Kong). Also as a result of them being built and sold in the US they are incredibly inexpensive, mostly because do you know why good Airsoft guns cost more than $200? Because it costs businesses ridiculous amounts of money to import them. TM guns cost just about the same in Japan as Echo's cost here in the US.

A well known TM fanboy (he deals with TM directly) on Arnies who lives in Japan was sent a Echo for review.
http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=101116
To sum it up, Echo's actually have better parts then a TM, and are just as reliable.

So the only things Echo lacks are,
Trades (they are blocked off for us anyway)
Metal Bodies (Not particularly hard to get your hands on)
Bad Parts (oh boy am I going to miss those Chinese contraptions)
No factory support (isn’t it going to suck to be able to send your broken gun back for free?)

So in the future, research what you talk shit about, it'll make you look a whole lot smarter.

[shorty]

yea i read that after i posted :-\

[Patrick[PM]]

Echo AEGs are the only Airsoft guns to be made in the United States, thats right, built, assembled, and sold only in the United States.


i dont know where you got that but its false the actual AEGs are made by a chinese company called jing gong(aka JG)
they are rebranded by Echo1
if anything by "assembled" it could have ment that they are taken out of their JG box and put into there nice new Echo1 box

i know this because i have talked to people in Hong Kong who have both models and they are identical
and if you take notice they have the exact same model...what a quinkydink

the only benifit is that Echo1 has a good warranty

^^^^not ment to be insulting in anyway, its just i looked over my post and it might seem like it could be taken that way

[swat73david]

how about you also go to there website and search other sites for informations

http://www.echo1usa.com/English/ (http://www.echo1usa.com/English/)

"There are so many China made Airsoft claim that they are exactly the same like ECHO1. This is totally fraud and incorrect. ECHO1USA will take legal action to those who illegally use Echo1USA’s tradedress and tradename to promote their products.
ECHO1USA is outsourcing from China but our internal parts and quality are totally different from others. We specially asked factory to modify for us for higher velocity with better quality control process.
Plus, we provide US local service and warranty.
Only products with ECHO1 USA boxes are provided by ECHO1USA.

Welcome to ECHO 1 USA.
For far too long, American airsoft enthusiasts have had to rely on expensive poor-quality products from foreign companies to fulfil our interests. Knowing how frustrating this can be, we at Echo 1 USA are determined to change that standard and become the premier American brand airsoft parts and accessories. Our focus is to offer quality products at reasonable prices. Most importantly, we strive to provide our customers with a comprehensive support experience. As longtime airsoft fans ourselves, we know what it takes to make good products."

[Patrick[PM]]

actually i was just reading it and i personally dont believe a word of it

but theres no use argueing over it so im done :D

[JABBER]

i have been shooting the shit out of one for a week i put a m120 and a spring Gide in it it's shooting 395 with l.25. Like i said before best 150 you can spend. bat charger & gun For 150$ with shipping from A&A andairsoft.com

[SACSlym]

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actually i was just reading it and i personally dont believe a word of it

but theres no use argueing over it so im done :D


Yes I often read facts and decide they are in fact not facts, opinions all the way!

Considering I read the original news release by Echo 1, their promotional vids, read their reviews along with thousands of other Arnies users I certainly have a lot of information to side with reality, what do you have? Oh right your not arguing anymore ::)

[rambo]

i have been shooting the shit out of one for a week i put a m120 and a spring Gide in it it's shooting 395 with l.25. Like i said before best 150 you can spend. bat charger & gun For 150$ with shipping from A&A andairsoft.com


nice advertisement, lol

but i dont belive a stock echo mp5 can out shoot a stock ICS or CA mp5, it sounds like b..s to me.

[JABBER]

IT'A A M733 and it's just as good as ics and tm if not better

[rambo]

IT'A A M733 and it's just as good as ics and tm if not better



wow.. im impressed, then what make the ics and a CA 300$, im guessing beacause there metal????

[Patrick[PM]]

http://www.1stprotocol.com/Review/ECO1M4A1/images/P1130105.JPG
top right corner of the box:

MADE IN CHINA


and now iam officially done b/c iam aware that there is no possibility of winning an argument with a admin

[swat73david]

If it works like a dream and compares up to a TM or ICS. I don't care were its made upgrades are also easy on the gun from want I here from A & A airsoft!

Really I mean people Think UTG is the best gun out there. Don't get me wrong utg is a good starter gun!

[ChicagoSTypewriter]

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http://www.1stprotocol.com/Review/ECO1M4A1/images/P1130105.JPG
top right corner of the box:

MADE IN CHINA


and now iam officially done b/c iam aware that there is no possibility of winning an argument with a admin

obviously its the box thats made in china jeez
jk

[matchgrade]

american company with chinese subcontracter? wouldn't surprise me with all the outsourcing that goes on

[SACSlym]

erm it says right on Echo's site that they outsource the parts from China, which makes sense since I doubt any company off the bat could have the industrial ability to fabricate the internal parts required. Difference again here is that it's still an American company. Granted it'd be great if they could actually create the parts here, but I doubt any company could afford it legisticly.

[LT CURVELO]

Hey people I have seen this gun and held it.... This is a TM gun with better parts.... I saw it with my own eyes.... This is the best $150.00 you will spend ok.... If you are new to the sport this is the gun for you forget the UTG's and all them peaces of crap ok this gun is an M733 Jabber is right.... All you guys and gals that have a $150.00 should buy this gun just to have a back up AEG..... Like Jabber said it comes with Batt. and charger why not.... All I hear is how everyone needs to use a gun or rent a gun while theres is broken or waiting on parts this gun takes care of all these problems for a $150.00 you will have a spare AEG... This is a nice AEG I went to A&A this week and played with it.... IT IS A TM M733 AEG. Call up and get yours.... Today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[t0ma70]

not arguing with anythings said i was under the impression that they were jing gong guns that were imported teken apart and tinkered with and quality controlled and then put back in a box and sent to places to be sold



but in any case jabber is respected airsmith and hes raveing and ranting about how good it is and how its better than the tm one
his word holds mere weight than you nay sayers considering jabber is the first one to say a gun is shit if its not up to snuff

thank god its about time some one came to userp the "big three" and make a splash here in america

jabbers word is good enough for me

buy the damn thing and stop argueing about it

[Peach]

I saw the Echo 1 with the M120 and Spring guide in person, im buying one next week :)

[ChicagoSTypewriter]

Some companies who are carrying JG’s products said that ECHO 1 USA is exactly the same as JG.This is totally incorrect.
ECHO1’s products have been carefully selected before we ship to US and even the internal parts are different!
Plus, we provided local service and warranty in USA.

These companies are using our brand name to promote their own products and it is violate the laws.
We already asked our lawyers to send letter to companies, including Airsplat.com
direct quote from Echo1

[loki]

Ive bought alot of cheap guns and now just geting a classic army. i say its beter to just save up and get a good gun. its not worth it.

[grizzle]

Forgive the Ressing of a month old thread, but since none of you seem to have any clue of what your talking about I should probably enlighten you.

Echo AEGs are the only Airsoft guns to be made in the United States, thats right, built, assembled, and sold only in the United States. They come with a 30 Day warranty against any damages, part replacement, and repair, something you can not get from any other manufacturer (unless your in Japan or Hong Kong). Also as a result of them being built and sold in the US they are incredibly inexpensive, mostly because do you know why good Airsoft guns cost more than $200? Because it costs businesses ridiculous amounts of money to import them. TM guns cost just about the same in Japan as Echo's cost here in the US.

A well known TM fanboy (he deals with TM directly) on Arnies who lives in Japan was sent a Echo for review.
http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=101116
To sum it up, Echo's actually have better parts then a TM, and are just as reliable.

So the only things Echo lacks are,
Trades (they are blocked off for us anyway)
Metal Bodies (Not particularly hard to get your hands on)
Bad Parts (oh boy am I going to miss those Chinese contraptions)
No factory support (isn’t it going to suck to be able to send your broken gun back for free?)

So in the future, research what you talk shit about, it'll make you look a whole lot smarter.




Just for future reference it'll make you look a whole lot smarter as well if you would read TEH whole thread and see that people have been posting positives and negatives. It's not as if everyone said this gun sucked, in fact I directly said I thought they were fantastic.

[Brett]

Echo 1s about to release 6(i think) more armalites, some of them have RIS. anyone know the price.

[Peach]

If Echo 1 releases a premium model with a metal body, they will put TM and CA out of business.

[APW]

i will (hopefully) get to test out a new Echo 1 G36c today and see if it beats my TM in all aspects. which it probably will. review up tonite

[parker.justin]

i have an echo1 M4 and i love it.. for 140 bucks.. its a great deal.. gun, mag, charger, batt... cant go wrong

[YamahaRider006]

i will (hopefully) get to test out a new Echo 1 G36c today and see if it beats my TM in all aspects. which it probably will. review up tonite

everyone he was gonna test my g36 but i never got the chance to go over. ive never seen his tm but echos are the sh!t. BUY ONE! and whoever said something about saving up for a CA its not worth wasting money on an echo is pretty "special". my cousin has a CA and my g36 is just as good and isnt going to break. and for the people who said echos are rebrabded JG, i heard(but am not completely sure) that JG put too big of a spring in there models and the gears where very quick. saturday APW is coming over so he'll have the review then.

[matchgrade]

JG is not the same company as Echo1, nor is echo1 a rebrand

[MFSTAirsoft]

JG and ECHO 1 guns are the exact same thing, they are indeed rebrands. And before anyone freaks out saying I am bullshit, kindly stop. My boss is good friends with the Echo 1 guys, and I trust him when he says they are. I have a JG M733, and as Vegas saw this weekend it kicks ass. And we have a few Echo 1s floating around the warehouse, they are the exact same gun. the G36C is amazing. The only reason I nabbed the M733 instead of the G36C is that I got more mags for the Armalite series than I do the G series.

[matchgrade]

Echo 1 wrote:
Some companies who are carrying JG’s products said that ECHO 1 USA is exactly the same as JG.This is totally incorrect.
ECHO1’s products have been carefully selected before we ship to US and even the internal parts are different!
Plus, we provided local service and warranty in USA.

These companies are using our brand name to promote their own products and it is violate the laws.
We already asked our lawyers to send letter to companies, including Airsplat.com


Full statement:

Echo 1 wrote:
The following is our statement:
We represent Echo 1 Sports, In. a well known company in airsoft industry.
Echo 1 Sports, Inc. has been using the mark “Echo 1 USA” for airsoft since October 2006. Echo 1 Sports, In. has worked very hard and expended substantial resources developing and maintaining the “Echo 1 USA” mark for air soft, such that is well known and has come to represent Echo 1 Sports, In.’s quality, service, and reliability.
It has recently come to our client’s attention that you are using the name “Echo 1 USA” in connection with the sales of airsoft in commerce in the United States. More troubling is that you are improperly confusing our customers and potential customers, telling them that the products you are selling are “Echo 1 USA” products and wrong fully causing them to purchase products from you under a misrepresentation that they are purchasing Echo 1 Sports, In.’s products, when they are not. Such conduct is unfair competition that is illegal and violates of the Lanham Act.
Moreover, there can be no doubt that your use of “Echo 1 USA” in the sale of air soft has actually confused our customers and more generally creates a strong likelihood of confusing or mistake among the public as to the source of the products. Further, it is our understanding that your use of “Echo 1 USA” occurred no earlier than January 2007 when Echo 1 Sports, In. was incorporated in October 2006. Your actions are direct violation of Echo 1 Sports, In.’s well-established federal and common law rights in its mark “Echo 1 USA” and constitute trademark infringement under section 32 of the Lamham Act, unfair competition and a violation of section 43 (a) of the Lamham Act, as well as various laws of the State of California. Such conduct will not be tolerated.

Echo 1 Sports, In. here demands that each of you immediately cease and desist from (1) any further use of the name ”Echo 1 USA” in connection with the sale of any air soft products, and (2) telling others that your products are not Echo 1 Sports, In.’s products.
In light of Echo 1 Sports, In.’s superior federally protected rights and the confusing that you have caused and will likely result form the sue of such identical marks on identical products in the same channels of trade to the same customers, we expect that you will immediately discontinue your use of “Echo 1 USA” in all sales, marketing and promotional activities.
Please confirm in writing to the undersigned as soon as possible, but not later than March 24, 2007, that you will agree to the foregoing. If we do not hear from you, we must assume that you intend to continue your course of conduct in derogation of our client’s rights, and we will be forced to pursue the full extent of the remedies available under the applicable state and federal law, which includes injunctive relief, monetary damages (which can be doubled or treble din the event of intentional infringement), profit disgorgement, attorneys’ fees and courts costs.
We hope that this matter can and will be settled amicably and quickly, but we necessarily reserve all of our clients’ rights in law and equity in the event that no such resolution is reached. We look forward to hearing from you promptly.




They may be the same thing, but Echo 1 sure doesn't want people thinking that

[Tyler]

BUY ONE! and whoever said something about saving up for a CA its not worth wasting money on an echo is pretty "special". my cousin has a CA and my g36 is just as good and isnt going to break. and for the people who said echos are rebrabded JG, i heard(but am not completely sure) that JG put too big of a spring in there models and the gears where very quick. saturday APW is coming over so he'll have the review then.


this is the stupidest thing i have ever read. I have owned multiple CAs and other higher end guns and i held and shot an echo 1 last weekend. It is a great gun for the money, and i would recomend it to anyone starting airsoft but i do not think it compares to a CA performance wise, and cosmeticly it is not even close. I would never buy one of these and it is still well worth it to save up for a CA, g and g etc. if you plan on seriously playing airsoft.

[YamahaRider006]

BUY ONE! and whoever said something about saving up for a CA its not worth wasting money on an echo is pretty "special". my cousin has a CA and my g36 is just as good and isnt going to break. and for the people who said echos are rebrabded JG, i heard(but am not completely sure) that JG put too big of a spring in there models and the gears where very quick. saturday APW is coming over so he'll have the review then.


this is the stupidest thing i have ever read. I have owned multiple CAs and other higher end guns and i held and shot an echo 1 last weekend. It is a great gun for the money, and i would recomend it to anyone starting airsoft but i do not think it compares to a CA performance wise, and cosmeticly it is not even close. I would never buy one of these and it is still well worth it to save up for a CA, g and g etc. if you plan on seriously playing airsoft.

then either his 1 month old CA m15 is junk, or my g36 is godly...

[Tyler]

well i havnt seen the g36 but since they are not metal id assume they would b easier to reproduce cheaper and sitll look as good, where with the armalite series there is an obvious difference

[wolf]

I'll bank that the one month old CA is junk.

[matchgrade]

my guess is the hop up isn't on...

[MFSTAirsoft]

After Vegas shot my M733 he said its performing just as good as his stock CA. Now, in my case, its shooting BETTER than my CA, especially since the gearbox is racked near the piston head. lol. Now, back on topic, that thing about the Echo1 internals being totally different is BS. They are the exact same. And I know this from taking the time to rip them both apart. And we also offer warranty on the guns, and once we get a storefront we'll also be offering service. This whole letter thing may also be BS, we havent gotten a letter, maybe its because my boss knows the Echo1 guys, not sure. But to me it sounds like the whole cybergun thing.

[knight]

having held and shot an echo 1. I was extremly impressed in build quaility, performance, and more so PRICE. I think that this gun easilly out performs my stock CA. But when I want another high qaulity, it will be a CA, not an echo. I think that echo is exactly what this industry needs, perfect for starting airsoft and a great back up. I would not even hesitate to fielding one on a regular basis. I do however think that the CA is more durable, and that the internal parts have a bit more precision to them. Im not putting echo down in any way, just saying that I dont think IN MY OPINION that it is as good as CA. To judge a rifle, you can't just judge on performance, theres build quality,durrability ect. I think that CA has out classed echo in this department. As a stock gun though, I think echo outclasses CA for the price. I will be sticking with my CA, but some one who is new to the sport or wants a really nice backup, echo will be the first on the list. Just my opinion.

[DerFrownmacher]

I've had my Echo 1 G36C for some time now, and am pretty damn impressed. It compares to my Airsoft Elite MP5, and is better in a lot of respects. Externally and Internally it's amazingly durable, and feels just as solid as any gun I've held, surviving with ease damage that killed my friend's CA G36. Even if you're used to upgraded Marui and Classic Army, Echo 1 guns give you the same performance with all the upgradeability, and save you about 100 bucks that you can use on making the gun all the better.

From someone whose owned both Echo 1 and Airsoft Elite AEGs, I have to say I'd rather have an Echo 1 and 150 bucks than my Airsoft Elite.

[Brett]

But ECho 1s look like crap, i hate plastic bodies. when u consider the high end external parts used in CAs and GGs, 300 dollars doesnt seem too outrageous. The echo 1 i shot also had a bad ROF, dont know y, and since some people only shoot semi they may not care, but u can tell the difference.

[Phobia]

In the end, they all just shoot plastic :P

[fearmytwin]

I agree with Brett, alone people who start off with TM's eventually drop another 150 or more on a metal body. So when you do get an echo1 you get what you pay for, strictly interior.

[DerFrownmacher]

Ah, but for less than a CA gun, you can get an Echo 1 and buy the metal body upgrades, considering everything's compatible (or the fiber body if you have a G36). Any way you look at it, it just seems like a better value.

[Tyler]

Ah, but for less than a CA gun, you can get an Echo 1 and buy the metal body upgrades, considering everything's compatible (or the fiber body if you have a G36). Any way you look at it, it just seems like a better value.


buying a metal body is gonna bring it barely under the cost of a CA, and ill still take CA internals over echos any day. The only reason i can see buying an echo is to leave it stock and for someone just getting into the game, not as an ungrade platform

[YamahaRider006]

Ah, but for less than a CA gun, you can get an Echo 1 and buy the metal body upgrades, considering everything's compatible (or the fiber body if you have a G36). Any way you look at it, it just seems like a better value.


buying a metal body is gonna bring it barely under the cost of a CA, and ill still take CA internals over echos any day. The only reason i can see buying an echo is to leave it stock and for someone just getting into the game, not as an ungrade platform

i thought echo had CA internals anyway....w.e but my friends TM p90 crapped out today.just stopped working no idea what happened. and it wasnt the battery cause we tried spares and stuff too. but the echo is still going strong

[MFSTAirsoft]

Stock my M733 was shooting just as good as a CA. Ask Vegas. I did minor upgrades, a new nozzle, a new cylinder, a new cylinder head, a new spring guide, and a new piston head. And now its outshooting a decent amount of guns. And its still very reliable.

[Vegas]

The JG M733 (Its the first company of "Echo") Chinese made rifle seems to be very reliable.

I was sketchy at first also liek everyone else. you figure, what you pay is what you get. This is the first time in maybe my entire career of airsoft that I can say thats not the case here. This gun really did impress me.

How long will it last this good? I dont know.

But the M733 model that Flamingo has with an M120 already in it and supposedly metal gears was shotin just as good as my stock M4 with a tightbore. Also, with his slight upgrades of pistol and etc, it outguns ,barely,but does by feet. Fore the price you cant beat it.

Can we trust the body? Well it feels JUSt liek a TM. I gues the usual wear and tear will be okay, but its the tabs that might break,but thats not unusual.

Other than that. No trademakrs on teh weapons,i guess you can deal with that. But solid metal barrel,bolt lever,etc.
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I say,great backup weapon. Got nothin better to do with your moeny,grab one. DEFINETLY #1 choice for incoming players. I guess vets can grab one just for fun. Maybe Cqb weapon so they dont have to keep modding upgraded weapons we already have.

[MFSTAirsoft]

It does have metal gears. lol. Im not sure if it really is a 120. It doesnt look like any 120 I've ever seen, but hey, it shoots good. Im currently using it as a primary so I dont have to tear my UMP to shit while Im working on a few project guns I have.

[numbers]

If Echo 1 releases a premium model with a metal body, they will put TM and CA out of business.

problem is, JG doesnt make one.

[YamahaRider006]

problem is, JG doesnt make one.

even if the current guns are rebranded JG echo is probly capable of designing there own bodies or whole guns alll together so you never know....

[knight]

true, i would take the ca gearbox over the echo, but only thing that needs upgrading is the piston head, and piston and maybe a spring guide. both gear sets are the same (ca made), i will post pics if some still don't believe, there are ca gears in both the ca and the echo.

[numbers]

i bought a jg m733 recently, and it shoots about 350 fps w/ a .20. it's really quite nice, the body is about the same as the tm. The gun was a great buy, with a tightbore and some systema hop, i can get a great weapon for under $175.

[MFSTAirsoft]

even if the current guns are rebranded JG echo is probly capable of designing there own bodies or whole guns alll together so you never know....

Problem with that mate, is that ECHO1 is a US company. ECHO1 only calls them self a manufacturer is because they Re-Brand all their guns. And that legally makes them a manufacturer. They do not have the capability to do such a thing. In Japan and China it takes a day to make 4 guns. No company in their right mind in America would manufacture metal bodies and/or airsoft guns. The companies over seas pay their people 64 dollars a month for their work. In America, it'd be 8-10 dollars an hour. Metal bodies and airsoft guns would cost way too much to make, and they'd make such a little profit, that the company would take a HUGE loss in manufacturing them. Sorry mate, but we wont be seeing any metal bodies from Echo1. D-Boys is starting to make metal body guns, and I'm sure JG will be too, however, the price is going to be going up real bad by the end of the year. Cost is going up to about 78 dollars per gun coming out of china. Its already upwards of 250 to 300 for high-end guns. It's going to be going up, probably for all airsoft guns.

Back to what we were talking about though, Echo1 does not have any fabricating capabilities, and they more than likely never will, unless they want to lose a ton of money and go out of business. Sorry mates.

[Blackout]

I've read some really good reviews of the Echo guns. I just can't decide between the MP5, the M4, and the G36.

[YamahaRider006]

I've read some really good reviews of the Echo guns. I just can't decide between the MP5, the M4, and the G36.

G36 is a good choice. ive had mine awhile and have had no problems with it what so ever

[Blackout]

Ya, they all look pretty good to me. I really like the look of the MP5-J though and airsoftreports.com did a video review with all three together and they said it slightly edged out the other two.

But I might go with the G36 just because the MP5 has 200 round mags whereas the G36 has 470 round mags. Although the spare Echo 1 high-cap mags are only about $18...

Money is a constraint for me. ;)

Also, does anyone have any experience with the M4 Tactical? That's another possibility. It has a large battery and is supposed to be a little sturdier than the regular Echo M4.

[matchgrade]

airsoft reports doesn't know what they're talking about. if you notice, the hop up is set all the way to get 'maximum range...'

they all shoot about the same, you just need to tune the hop up the right way.

in the end, it all comes down to your personal prefrence. which gun style do you like the most?

[Blackout]

I've always been an MP5 fan, but the relatively small capacity of the magazines worries me. Although, if I decide to get more serious about airsoft later on, I could keep it as a secondary probably. I still have more research to do first, though.

[YamahaRider006]

200 rounds is not that little, better then 30..and you can always buy a sparre mag

[Blackout]

Well, if you say so, I guess it's alright. I used to play paintball and that's about a standard hopper-full of balls.

[DerFrownmacher]

Yeah, the only times I've ever needed more ammo than I could store in my two MP5 HiCaps was in games that stretched on for several hours, or in really close range engagements with a lot of cover and suppression. Anyhow, if you like the MP5, two or three HiCaps should work fine.

[godfatha]

Unless you like mids and reals and low caps. Then you can pick up MAG midcaps or star Lowcaps for 50-60 bucks. I personally hate high caps(not when other players use them, when I use them). The bbs jingle around and winding gets annoying. MAG Midcaps get a 100-120 round stream of bbs. Mag midcaps are 7 bucks when u buy a pack of 8 which is 1/3 of the cost of your average highcap. If you lose it, you wont suffer. Only drawpack of MAG mags is they are plastic. This isnt major since I drop mine all the time and they dont break, it is just it is plastic, and in milsim airsoft, every part of the gun(externally with some exceptions) should be metal, in a perfect world.

[Blackout]

That's a possibility. The M4 has also been growing on me, but only a few sites claim to have them in stock.

The A&K CQB-R is also a pretty gun, but I've heard it has some reliability issues, which is why I think I'm going to buy an Echo 1. I've also heard that JG uses an overly powerful spring, which will shorten the life of their guns, so they are out.

Call me cautious, but I don't want to regret my purchase down the road. :p

[DerFrownmacher]

Yeah, I think I'm gonna put some better bushings in my G36C. The spring is almost alarmingly powerful, and as I said made someone bleed from over fifty feet.

However, it hasn't shown any actual signs of wearing out yet, and having a 100 dollar gun give you 370 fps is quite nice, especially when a $250 Tokyo Marui will give you a hundred less out of the box.

As for the MP5/M4 magazine thing, you can get 130 round midcaps for MP5 variants as well, so it really just comes down to which gun you like more. As tempting as some of the A&K AR models are, I've heard they have problems with plastic fastening tabs that can break, leading to your gun snapping in half. But so long as you don't drop it, you should be fine.

[Nightshade]

My girl is seriously interested in playing. I told her I would start her off with an ECHO, (just b/c there not to high in price,:D). But I have been hearing that they are nothing but starter guns and will not last as long as other AEG's.

Anyone have a specific recommendation as to what model is most reliable?

[DerFrownmacher]

G36C has the most positive feedback, and I can personally attest to its durability and amazing power (at least for a stock gun). My own girlfriend recently started playing, but couldn't be swayed from buying an AUG. It's Echo as well, and still more powerful than the TM, and it feels just as sturdy and well put together.

Echo 1s may be great starters, but with a tiny bit of work I wouldn't be surprised with a few years of excellent performance out of my G36. I'll go with a gun full of quality metal internals (NOT BE) over Marui plastic.

Anyhow, Echo 1 are great guns for a great price.

[matchgrade]

stock, they're a good starter gun. But with a little money (which you'd put into any other gun) you can turn it into a gun that you see the vets use. stick a metal body, front end, do a little internal work (which you'd probably wind up doing on any other gun), maybe slap a crane stock on there and you'd have a gun that'll look/feel just like any other.

[Blackout]

Alright, I think I'm going to order an Echo M4 from Hotspotairsoft.com with an extra high-cap and some BB's. This is going to be my first airsoft gun. Any last minute tips/suggestions?

BTW, I already have things like a mask, oil, and gun bag from when I played paintball.

[Kiena]

Alright, I think I'm going to order an Echo M4 from Hotspotairsoft.com with an extra high-cap and some BB's. This is going to be my first airsoft gun. Any last minute tips/suggestions?

BTW, I already have things like a mask, oil, and gun bag from when I played paintball.

Hotspot and Federal Airsoft are the same base store, and if you live in Mass Federal is closer which means it will come faster. Theres my advice :D

[Blackout]

Then how come Federal charges for shipping? Also, I literally refreshed my browser and hotspot just sold out of M4's. There goes that plan.

[Kiena]

I dont know thats the only thing i dont like. i needed my gun fast and i did get it fast. i dont know why the charge shipping. just trying to help you...

[Blackout]

I do appreciate the help, I'll probably end up doing that.

EDIT: And actually, I just got a $5 shipping quote. That's perfectly reasonable. Now I just wish they had affordable mags.

[godfatha]

you can buy used mags from the owner of FA, his name is Craig and his username on most forums is glock21.